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Stocks, Bonds and Future Returns Prof. Jeremy J. Siegel ~ The Wharton School Jacobs Levy Center Conference ~ September 14, 2018 Past performance is not indicative of future results. For Financial Professional Use Only Historical Total Real

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Stocks, Bonds and Future Returns

  • Prof. Jeremy J. Siegel ~ The Wharton School

Jacobs Levy Center Conference ~ September 14, 2018

Past performance is not indicative of future results. For Financial Professional Use Only

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Historical Total Real Return Indexes

STOCKS

$1,372,018

BONDS

$1599

BILLS

$263

GOLD

$3.09

DOLLAR

$0.048

$0.01 $0.1 $1. $10. $100. $1,000. $10,000. $100,000. $1,000,000. $10,000,000.

1802 1811 1821 1831 1841 1851 1861 1871 1881 1891 1901 1911 1921 1931 1941 1951 1961 1971 1981 1991 2001 2011

January 1802 – June 2018

Stocks: 6.7% Real Bonds: 3.5% Real Bills: 2.6% Real Gold: 0.5% Real Dollar:-1.4%Real Past performance is not indicative of future results.

Source: Siegel, Jeremy, Stocks for the Long Run (2014), With Updates to 2018

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P-E Ratio on S&P 500 , 1954-2018

Double Digit Interest Rates

Median PE over period = 17.07

Source: Bloomberg 12/31/1954-5/5/16

PE 30

You cannot invest directly in an index Past performance is not indicative of future results. For Financial Professional Use Only

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Definitions of S&P 500 Earnings

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Firm Reported: Most liberal, excludes asset impairments, severance costs, Cash plant closing costs, litigation expense, pension value changes, and stock option expenses; 2017 $133.12; Est. 2018 $162.79, Est. 2019 $179.32.

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S&P Operating: Excludes some asset impairments (except for financials) and severance costs; 2017 = $124.51 Est. 2018 = $157.79, Est. 2019. $177.00.

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GAAP: Mandates write-downs and asset impairments, whether sold or not; Does not permit “write-ups” unless asset sold. 2017= $109.88; Est. 2018 = $142.99; Est. 2019 = $163.51

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Warren Buffet, in 2017 Annual Report, said new mark-to-market rules make GAAP earnings, for analytical purposes, “useless.”

Past performance is not indicative of future results. For Financial Professional Use Only

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What do PE Ratios Mean for Returns?

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Earning Yield (E/P) is good predictor of long-term real returns.

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Over past 140 years, P-E ratio averaged about 15, which corresponds to 1/15, or 6.7% E/P, or real return on stocks.

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With S&P at 2871 (Sep 7), stocks are selling for about 18 times 2018 and 16.1 times 2019 estimated operating earnings.

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A PE ratio of 18 forecasts a real return of 5.5% for stocks (or about 7.5% nominal return with 2% inflation). This is more than 4 ½ percentage points over Treasury bonds, a margin economists call the “equity risk premium.” This premium is also above the historical average of 3% to 3 ½%.

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5.5% real returns comprised of 2% dividend, 3.5% real EPS growth (2.5% of which caused by buybacks).

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Warranted P-E ratio is higher than historical average because

  • f virtually zero cost of indexing, allowing investors to

receive far superior risk return trade-offs.

Source: S&P 1/18/18 You cannot invest directly in an index Past performance is not indicative of future results. For Financial Professional Use Only

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What is “warranted” Equity return?

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Indexed return over 19th and first half of 20th century 6.7% real.

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But few, if any investors were able to achieve that net of transactions costs (brokerage plus bid/ask spreads).

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Cost of maintaining cap-weighted portfolio likely 150 bps per year or more in earlier period, leaving a net real return of about 5%.

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Today cost of indexation is virtually zero. An 18 P- E ratio, leading to a 5.5% real return, can be regarded as the “new normal” equity return.

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Record low real interest rates, could push equilibrium P-E ratio even higher.

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Lower Payout Ratio = Higher EPS Growth

Reported Real EPS Growth Real Dividend Growth Dividend Yield Real Capital Gains Real Stock Returns Payout Ratio 1871-2018 1.96% 1.56% 4.34% 2.36% 6.94% 61.5% 1871-1945 0.67% 0.74% 5.31% 1.32% 6.84% 70.8% 1946-2018 3.30% 2.42% 3.35% 3.44% 7.05% 51.5%

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Shiller CAPE ratio

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In 1996. Robert Shiller, with John Campbell, both at Yale, devised a “Cyclically Adjusted P- E ratio” to judge valuation of the market.

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Shiller averaged past 10 years of (real) per share GAAP earnings on market index portfolio to compute his PE ratio.

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P-E ratio in August 2018 is about 32, based on GAAP earnings, nearly double the 140-year mean value of the series.

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CAPE methodology forecasts forward 10 year real returns on stocks of only 2.6%, about 40%

  • f long-run average (but still more than bonds).

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Shiller CAPE Ratio: Reported and Operating

Source: Siegel, “The Shiller CAPE Ratio: A New Look” May 2016, Updated

0.00 10.00 20.00 30.00 40.00 50.00 1881 1885 1889 1894 1898 1902 1907 1911 1915 1920 1924 1928 1933 1937 1941 1946 1950 1954 1959 1963 1967 1972 1976 1980 1985 1989 1993 1998 2002 2006 2011 2015 CAPE Avg CAPE

Overvalued Undervalued

31.9 Mean = 16.9

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Shiller CAPE Ratio: Reported and Operating

Source: Siegel, “The Shiller CAPE Ratio: A New Look” May 2016, Updated

0.00 10.00 20.00 30.00 40.00 50.00 1881 1885 1889 1894 1898 1902 1907 1911 1915 1920 1924 1928 1933 1937 1941 1946 1950 1954 1959 1963 1967 1972 1976 1980 1985 1989 1993 1998 2002 2006 2011 2015 CAPE Avg CAPE Operating CAPE

Overvalued Undervalued

31.9 Mean = 16.9 27.5

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Log Earnings

Real Per Share Reported Earnings

Great Depression

Source: “The Shiller CAPE Ratio: A new Look” J. Siegel May 2016

Past performance is not indicative of future results.

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Log Earnings

Reported Operating NIPA

Real Reported, Operating and NIPA Earnings

Great Depression

Source: “The Shiller CAPE Ratio: A new Look” J. Siegel May 2016

Past performance is not indicative of future results.

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CAPE Ratio Relative to Long-term Mean Shiller Total Return Portfolio 1987-2018

Source: “The Shiller CAPE Ratio: A new Look” J. Siegel May/June 2016, Updated

0.50 1.00 1.50 2.00 2.50 1987 1988 1988 1989 1990 1991 1992 1993 1994 1995 1996 1997 1998 1999 1999 2000 2001 2002 2003 2004 2005 2006 2007 2008 2009 2010 2010 2011 2012 2013 2014 2015 2016 2017 2018 Reported Operating NIPA

RPT: 1.71 OP: 1.53 NIPA: 1.36

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Shiller CAPE Ratio: Forecast 3.5% real EPS growth

Source: Siegel, “The Shiller CAPE Ratio: A New Look” May/June 2016, Updated

Overvalued Undervalued

23.8 Mean = 17.5 21.5

10 20 30 40 50 1881 1885 1889 1893 1897 1901 1906 1910 1914 1918 1922 1926 1931 1935 1939 1943 1947 1951 1956 1960 1964 1968 1972 1976 1981 1985 1989 1993 1997 2001 2006 2010 2014 2018 2022 2026 CAPE Avg CAPE Operating CAPE

Forecast: 3.5% real EPS Growth 21.5 CAPE consistent With 18 P-E ratio and 5.5% real equity return

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Published May/June 2016 FAJ